Having just killed two dominix, I dock up and repair my cyclone for the fifth time in a little more then 12 hours. Poor little buggers bulkheads already have hairline cracks, shes gunna die soon. I report back to the Huola gate and jump in to find a hurricane at range about to get tackled by a friendly frigate, and proceed to hold cloak until I get that confirmation on my HUD.
A friendly firetail lands point on the Hurricane, at which point a few friendly frigates joining in the fight, but as I am not in fleet with anyone, I am unsure of our numbers and getting into neut range of a Hurricane is always bad news for a Cyclone. Throwing caution to the wind, I MWD the 50km and provide heavy tackle on the target. Resigned to his fate he doesn't even try to target be, and his shields are dropping rather quick.
At this point a enemy rapier lands on the gate 50km away and now I am a little nervous. The Hurricane is dying but I am unsure if my ship will make it back to the gate in time if they have a gang en route. The Rapier starts moving at MWD speeds towards me and I know I am a goner. 45km, 38km, 30km and I lock him up. 25km, 18km (wait what? drop point on hurricane) 15km (overload warp scrambler and MWD and fly towards rapier) 10km and SCRAMMMMM. Leave the drones on the Hurricane in hull and focus fire on the rapier. Full overload, I don't care if you're in a gang you're dead mate. Hurricane explodes (artillery? you fail at life), Rapier shortly after. No one comes to help, though a few enemies jump out of the system during and after the fight. Seems we lost the hero tackling firetail. Loot the field, dock up to repair my top slots, and give the firetail pilot his share of the loot.
Apparently a friendly BC helps out a little bit, and the falcon explains the lack of locks on my hull (opens the question of why did the firetail die, however, or why the rapier pilot decided fighting in scram range was a good idea).
The pilot begins broadcasting in local communications that we shouldn't have used the ECM boat (which, seriously, arty cane and rapier? We definitely did not need his help, though appreciated) I point out that the ECM pilot did not really matter, as he stupidly brought himself into the scram range of a MWD battlecruiser. This starts a debate.
::: Uploading Log of Huola Local Communications - Starting [ 2011.04.19 18:06:21 ] Ending [ 2011.04.19 18:29:05 ] :::
[ 2011.04.19 18:06:21 ] Aznwithbeard > gf
[ 2011.04.19 18:06:25 ] Hissan > gf but gay ecm usage :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:06:50 ] Aznwithbeard > wouldnt have mattered.
[ 2011.04.19 18:06:54 ] Aznwithbeard > u came in scram range
[ 2011.04.19 18:06:55 ] Maglor Shaye > ecm's always gay when not yours
[ 2011.04.19 18:07:00 ] Wynning Blodtann > gf hissan
[ 2011.04.19 18:07:05 ] Hissan > it wud of been a better fight for everyone if that falcon hadnt come in
[ 2011.04.19 18:07:25 ] Hissan > more challenging for every1, ud of been fucked whoever scrambed me if i wasnt jammed :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:07:52 ] Hissan > so yes it wud have mattered :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:08:30 ] Zenton Karvash > lol well thats not a whole hell of alot of incentive for them to not jam you is it?
[ 2011.04.19 18:08:43 ] Maglor Shaye > Confirmed, we love to lose
[ 2011.04.19 18:08:57 ] Hissan > true :P however they had more on the field
[ 2011.04.19 18:09:00 ] Maglor Shaye > I'll just go reproc my falcon
[ 2011.04.19 18:09:17 ] Hissan > if u have more on the field than enemy, dont be gay and bring in ewar
[ 2011.04.19 18:09:28 ] Hissan > as well :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:10:04 ] Aznwithbeard > ehhh
[ 2011.04.19 18:10:11 ] Aznwithbeard > tmk we had my BC and some frigs.
[ 2011.04.19 18:10:28 ] Aznwithbeard > u had an arty cane which got tackled = he was dead without ecm, u got within scram range of me = ur dead too.
[ 2011.04.19 18:10:32 ] Aznwithbeard > ecm didnt matter.
[ 2011.04.19 18:10:59 ] Hissan > lmao u had 2 bcs, and whoever scrambed me would of died if i wasnt jammed :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:04 ] Kiki LeBoutier > perfect plan
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:16 ] Aznwithbeard > that was me hissan, and.... uhhh... no
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:26 ] Hissan > u have parkinsons?
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:33 ] Kiki LeBoutier > u guys need to 1v1
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:38 ] Kiki LeBoutier > thats the only way i see of resolving this
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:44 ] Aznwithbeard > do u really think a rapier is gunna solo a cyclone man?
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:44 ] Hissan > because i pretty sure if u wanna bring a scrambing ship against another rapier
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:44 ] Zenton Karvash > Confirmed.
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:47 ] Hissan > id own it :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:53 ] Zenton Karvash > ...
[ 2011.04.19 18:11:54 ] Zenton Karvash > lololol
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:12 ] Zenton Karvash > Anz you better back off m8 this guy seems pro :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:13 ] Kiki LeBoutier > can a rapier even break a typical active-tanked cyclone?
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:15 ] Maglor Shaye > rapiers are win soloboats
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:22 ] Maglor Shaye > with mad deeps
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:25 ] Kiki LeBoutier > lol
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:29 ] Aznwithbeard > yea man confirming his 200ish DPS would rape my cyclone
[ 2011.04.19 18:12:44 ] Hissan > no cudnt of broke a cyclones tank tbf, but i cud of got to a range where u cudnt do jack but i cud keep shooting :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:06 ] Hissan > u think u mwd is goin to go that fast when ur double webbed :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:20 ] Kiki LeBoutier > double web = fail
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:23 ] Kiki LeBoutier > triple web rapier ftw
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:27 ] Zenton Karvash > So how were you going to kill him?
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:33 ] Zenton Karvash > when you ran out of ammo.
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:35 ] Maglor Shaye > with webs duh
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:37 ] Hissan > the hurricane :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:37 ] Cicevo > I hear that MWDs work really well when scrammed
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:41 ] Maglor Shaye > they do mad deeps
[ 2011.04.19 18:13:56 ] Hissan > i thought the hurricane cud of taken the other bc/bcs while i help control movement on the field :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:00 ] Hissan > and take out support
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:09 ] Aznwithbeard > i hear he thinks he could outrange me once hes scrammed provided his webs work
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:10 ] Wynning Blodtann > you went too close
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:36 ] Hissan > if u get scrammed in a rapier, u can get away easy
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:39 ] Hissan > with the webs
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:41 ] Aznwithbeard > no u cant
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:46 ] Hesir Volund > no you cant
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:47 ] Hesir Volund > lol
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:51 ] Aznwithbeard > ur dual web will NOT outrun my mwd while ur scrammed
[ 2011.04.19 18:14:54 ] Hesir Volund > you die if you get scrammed by a frig
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:07 ] Maglor Shaye > or let's say a scramweb harbi?
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:08 ] Hissan > ye a frig something like a dram :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:15 ] Hissan > but not a bc :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:40 ] Maglor Shaye > bcs can fit webs noob
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:45 ] Aznwithbeard > ok go get another rapier, come into my scram range, and well see.
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:54 ] Hissan > ....... i wasnt getting webbed tho?
[ 2011.04.19 18:15:55 ] Aznwithbeard > ill 1v1 under those conditions
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:07 ] Hissan > oh ye and get blobbed?
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:13 ] Aznwithbeard > i just said id 1v1
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:19 ] Maglor Shaye > Yeah but it traches your I'm immune to BCs argument
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:21 ] Hissan > 1v1 dont end well in militia fights :P
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:26 ] Aznwithbeard > sure they do
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:40 ] Hissan > no they don't lol ive done them before
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:50 ] Aznwithbeard > http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=190918
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:51 ] Aznwithbeard > see?
[ 2011.04.19 18:16:57 ] Aznwithbeard > honored 1v1 on both ends
[ 2011.04.19 18:17:43 ] Hissan > lol :P gud luck with that
[ 2011.04.19 18:18:13 ] Aznwithbeard > so.. what ur saying is, ur not gunna prove me wrong despite my linking of honored 1v1s cuz u know ur wrong c/d?
[ 2011.04.19 18:18:36 ] Kiki LeBoutier > CDFE on active tanked cyclone?
[ 2011.04.19 18:18:38 ] Kiki LeBoutier > wut?
[ 2011.04.19 18:18:52 ] Aznwithbeard > contract.
[ 2011.04.19 18:18:56 ] Hissan > no im not gonna prove u wrong, because a) i'll get blobbed b) i won't kill you c) i need to go a buy another rapier first
[ 2011.04.19 18:19:05 ] Aznwithbeard > 13 mil kiki, isk counts!
[ 2011.04.19 18:19:27 ] Aznwithbeard > also, again, ill 1v1 you, why would I want a blob wrecking a perfectly hilarious KM
[ 2011.04.19 18:19:53 ] Hissan > because ur a minmatard :)
[ 2011.04.19 18:19:54 ] Zenton Karvash > Hes not going to 1v1 you he knows he'll lose be is unwilling to conceed the argument.
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:03 ] Aznwithbeard > lololololololololol i know
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:05 ] Aznwithbeard > its just hilarious
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:11 ] Aznwithbeard > welcome to my blog post hissan
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:14 ] Kiki LeBoutier > what was that about 13 mil isk? also i wanted to say nice fit
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:21 ] Kiki LeBoutier > i like x-l boosted cyclones
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:27 ] Aznwithbeard > i bought the cyclone on contract for 13 mil isk. lol
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:31 ] Aznwithbeard > or 16 actually.
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:32 ] Kiki LeBoutier > oh shit
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:32 ] Maglor Shaye > I never concede arguments. Too much fun arguing
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:33 ] Kiki LeBoutier > nice one!!!
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:46 ] Aznwithbeard > not fit, just rigged, so i was like, feh... good enough
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:52 ] Kiki LeBoutier > still, doesnt hurt to change 1 rig lol, particularly that cheap
[ 2011.04.19 18:20:54 ] Kiki LeBoutier > but w/e
[ 2011.04.19 18:21:00 ] Aznwithbeard > i know, i prob just forgot
[ 2011.04.19 18:21:27 ] Hissan > im not gonna be able to kill him - the debate is whether i can get out of range
[ 2011.04.19 18:21:41 ] Hissan > and brb food - we will continue this when i get back ;)
[ 2011.04.19 18:21:44 ] Maglor Shaye > under scram, maybe, slowly
[ 2011.04.19 18:22:05 ] Kiki LeBoutier > hissan try a loki
[ 2011.04.19 18:22:20 ] Aznwithbeard > if he has 2x web and a LP, and i have scram and a mwd, hes dead.
[ 2011.04.19 18:22:24 ] Kiki LeBoutier > webs of a rapier + deeps of a BC
[ 2011.04.19 18:22:40 ] Aznwithbeard > the rapier is doing like 250 dps max tbh kiki
[ 2011.04.19 18:22:44 ] Kiki LeBoutier > also confirming what azn said
[ 2011.04.19 18:23:29 ] Aznwithbeard > hell man, i wont even kill u if u want. you can just see im right. shame to lose an epic minmatar hull to stupidity.
[ 2011.04.19 18:27:14 ] Kiki LeBoutier > i dont like rapier
[ 2011.04.19 18:27:21 ] Kiki LeBoutier > i think huginn is better
[ 2011.04.19 18:28:20 ] Aznwithbeard > huginn is tankier, rapier is better
[ 2011.04.19 18:28:31 ] Aznwithbeard > cuz it just appears and you go, shit im fucked
[ 2011.04.19 18:28:58 ] Cicevo > Unless it MWDs into a fight
[ 2011.04.19 18:29:05 ] Aznwithbeard > lololololololoololol
::: Ending Log of Huola Local Communications :::
The pilot is under the assumption that given no jamming ships present and scrambled by a shield tanking battlecruiser capable of over 1700 M/S, his (now MWDless) Rapier with its 2x stasis webifiers could eventually gain enough range (before dying) to get himself clear of the fight.
Things to consider;
1. He has no speed modifications to his ship other then his MWD. At full power with decent skills and a shut down MWD he is moving (with average skills) approximately 240m/s.
Assuming my calculations are correct (top speed no heat = 1266 x .4 (1 web) = 506.4 x .4 (2nd web) I am going around 202m/s, which is (albeit only slightly) slower then his rapier. However, using the same formula with my MWD overheated (his DPS is piss poor, so I don't really need to worry about running the booster too much and I am cap stable until out of boosters, which I will not be any time soon), I am going approximately 287m/s, enough to keep pace with the rapier.
2. I am in a battlecruiser capable of approximately 500 DPS. He is in a lightly tanked Recon Cruiser at point blank range. Argument is now invalid.
3. his webs outreach his long points range of 24KM somewhere around completion of the training program "Recon Ships Level 3". Why was he anywhere NEAR warp scrambler range?
4. He is Amarrian. He preyed to his god to help him win this fight. His god failed him. Better read more Pax Amarria until your god loves you.
5. Matar victor.